Does the PoP3 problem mean the end of using Turnpike?

Post by Eileen Conn
I am posting this to ask if anyone else is having problems caused by
PoP3 interfering with the receiving or sending of emails with Turnpike,
and what they are preparing to do.
It is Ok at the moment but it has stopped working a few times over the
last 5 days. At the beginning, emails were not being sent either but
since then the problem has been just receiving emails. At least one was
restored when I was on the phone to Namesco when they 'rebooted' it.
Other times there is no known to me cause of it recovering.
When the problem recurred and I asked Namesco why, they gave me a long
written lecture on moving to an email system that was compatible with
the ending of PoP3. They gave no explanation why it had recovered.
Since then it seems to have corrected itself two or three times and all
has been working OK for a couple of days.
From what Namesco have told me it seems PoP3's end is the end of being
able to use Turnpike. But I have just seen in one of the previous posts
an indication that others are going on using PoP3 on other systems.
Being such an IT tech novice I don't know what it all means. Hope
someone can give me a child's guide.
I thought I was reaching the end of Turnpike and would have to move to
another system. But I want to keep on with it as long as I can because
it will take time to explore the alternatives and get my information &
data management approach reorganised. I hope I have time to to do that
after November but won’t before.
So I will be very glad to hear from anyone who is experiencing the same
problems which seem to be linked to PoP3 or who has views on why it Is
stopping intermittently and then recovering.

I use gmail and have heard nothing about dumping pop3. Bit of messing
about with 2 level authentication but that's it.

--
bert

John

2022-08-23 13:14:33 UTC

The issue is not that Microsoft are stopping supporting POP3, but they
are implementing improved authorization (OAuth2) and retiring simple
authorization. Because of the age of Turnpike it doesn't support
OAuth2. Not sure if it could be done through Stunnel, but not currently
as far as I can work out - but it is still being developed, unlike
Turnpike.

None of this should happen until at least October but, like you, I have
had intermittent loss of connection to the server via Namesco. I also
have 2 other Microsoft 365 accounts from different resellers which have
not had the same issue, so I suspect it may be an unrelated problem with
Namesco, although quite what I can't work out as you connect directly to
a Microsoft server.

In the other thread, Brian Howie says that he dumped Office 365 and used
one of Namesco's "lesser" email offerings. They don't have as much on
server storage, but as you are downloading to Turnpike that shouldn't be
an issue. This may be an option to at least buy some time - see if
Namesco would migrate you from the Microsoft solution to one of
Namesco's other products. Can't guarantee that they won't change to
OAuth2 in the future, as it does seem to be the preferred method of
authorisation these days

--
John

bert

2022-08-26 14:35:41 UTC

Post by Eileen Conn
I am posting this to ask if anyone else is having problems caused by
PoP3 interfering with the receiving or sending of emails with
Turnpike, and what they are preparing to do.
It is Ok at the moment but it has stopped working a few times over the
last 5 days. At the beginning, emails were not being sent either but
since then the problem has been just receiving emails. At least one
was restored when I was on the phone to Namesco when they 'rebooted'
it. Other times there is no known to me cause of it recovering.
When the problem recurred and I asked Namesco why, they gave me a long
written lecture on moving to an email system that was compatible with
the ending of PoP3. They gave no explanation why it had recovered.
Since then it seems to have corrected itself two or three times and
all has been working OK for a couple of days.
From what Namesco have told me it seems PoP3's end is the end of being
able to use Turnpike. But I have just seen in one of the previous
posts an indication that others are going on using PoP3 on other
systems. Being such an IT tech novice I don't know what it all means.
Hope someone can give me a child's guide.
I thought I was reaching the end of Turnpike and would have to move to
another system. But I want to keep on with it as long as I can because
it will take time to explore the alternatives and get my information &
data management approach reorganised. I hope I have time to to do that
after November but won’t before.
So I will be very glad to hear from anyone who is experiencing the
same problems which seem to be linked to PoP3 or who has views on why
it Is stopping intermittently and then recovering.

The issue is not that Microsoft are stopping supporting POP3, but they
are implementing improved authorization (OAuth2) and retiring simple
authorization. Because of the age of Turnpike it doesn't support
OAuth2. Not sure if it could be done through Stunnel, but not
currently as far as I can work out - but it is still being developed,
unlike Turnpike.
None of this should happen until at least October but, like you, I have
had intermittent loss of connection to the server via Namesco. I also
have 2 other Microsoft 365 accounts from different resellers which have
not had the same issue, so I suspect it may be an unrelated problem
with Namesco, although quite what I can't work out as you connect
directly to a Microsoft server.
In the other thread, Brian Howie says that he dumped Office 365 and
used one of Namesco's "lesser" email offerings. They don't have as
much on server storage, but as you are downloading to Turnpike that
shouldn't be an issue. This may be an option to at least buy some time
- see if Namesco would migrate you from the Microsoft solution to one
of Namesco's other products. Can't guarantee that they won't change to
OAuth2 in the future, as it does seem to be the preferred method of
authorisation these days

Are they offering the same option as Gmail?

Basically, log in using web interface
Request application password
Copy and paste supplied password into Connect to replace your existing
one.
Problem solved

--
bert

Eileen Conn

2022-08-29 00:19:17 UTC

Post by Eileen Conn
I am posting this to ask if anyone else is having problems caused by
PoP3 interfering with the receiving or sending of emails with
Turnpike, and what they are preparing to do.
It is Ok at the moment but it has stopped working a few times over the
last 5 days. At the beginning, emails were not being sent either but
since then the problem has been just receiving emails. At least one
was restored when I was on the phone to Namesco when they 'rebooted'
it. Other times there is no known to me cause of it recovering.
When the problem recurred and I asked Namesco why, they gave me a long
written lecture on moving to an email system that was compatible with
the ending of PoP3. They gave no explanation why it had recovered.
Since then it seems to have corrected itself two or three times and
all has been working OK for a couple of days.
From what Namesco have told me it seems PoP3's end is the end of being
able to use Turnpike. But I have just seen in one of the previous
posts an indication that others are going on using PoP3 on other
systems. Being such an IT tech novice I don't know what it all means.
Hope someone can give me a child's guide.
I thought I was reaching the end of Turnpike and would have to move to
another system. But I want to keep on with it as long as I can because
it will take time to explore the alternatives and get my information &
data management approach reorganised. I hope I have time to to do that
after November but won’t before.
So I will be very glad to hear from anyone who is experiencing the
same problems which seem to be linked to PoP3 or who has views on why
it Is stopping intermittently and then recovering.

The issue is not that Microsoft are stopping supporting POP3, but they
are implementing improved authorization (OAuth2) and retiring simple
authorization. Because of the age of Turnpike it doesn't support
OAuth2. Not sure if it could be done through Stunnel, but not
currently as far as I can work out - but it is still being developed,
unlike Turnpike.
None of this should happen until at least October but, like you, I have
had intermittent loss of connection to the server via Namesco. I also
have 2 other Microsoft 365 accounts from different resellers which have
not had the same issue, so I suspect it may be an unrelated problem
with Namesco, although quite what I can't work out as you connect
directly to a Microsoft server.
In the other thread, Brian Howie says that he dumped Office 365 and
used one of Namesco's "lesser" email offerings. They don't have as
much on server storage, but as you are downloading to Turnpike that
shouldn't be an issue. This may be an option to at least buy some time
- see if Namesco would migrate you from the Microsoft solution to one
of Namesco's other products. Can't guarantee that they won't change to
OAuth2 in the future, as it does seem to be the preferred method of
authorisation these days

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Post by bert
Are they offering the same option as Gmail?
Basically, log in using web interface
Request application password
Copy and paste supplied password into Connect to replace your existing
one.
Problem solved
bert

Dear Bert - I am a bit lost in all this. Can you help me by explaining a bit more? I am not clear who you mean is offering Gmail. Do you mean Namesco? I am using Outlook 365 with them and John has suggested I ask them what else they can offer. Which is what I will do now. But maybe you meant something else?
Eileen

bert

2022-08-29 19:36:56 UTC

Post by Eileen Conn

Post by Eileen Conn
I am posting this to ask if anyone else is having problems caused by
PoP3 interfering with the receiving or sending of emails with
Turnpike, and what they are preparing to do.
It is Ok at the moment but it has stopped working a few times over the
last 5 days. At the beginning, emails were not being sent either but
since then the problem has been just receiving emails. At least one
was restored when I was on the phone to Namesco when they 'rebooted'
it. Other times there is no known to me cause of it recovering.
When the problem recurred and I asked Namesco why, they gave me a long
written lecture on moving to an email system that was compatible with
the ending of PoP3. They gave no explanation why it had recovered.
Since then it seems to have corrected itself two or three times and
all has been working OK for a couple of days.
From what Namesco have told me it seems PoP3's end is the end of being
able to use Turnpike. But I have just seen in one of the previous
posts an indication that others are going on using PoP3 on other
systems. Being such an IT tech novice I don't know what it all means.
Hope someone can give me a child's guide.
I thought I was reaching the end of Turnpike and would have to move to
another system. But I want to keep on with it as long as I can because
it will take time to explore the alternatives and get my information &
data management approach reorganised. I hope I have time to to do that
after November but won’t before.
So I will be very glad to hear from anyone who is experiencing the
same problems which seem to be linked to PoP3 or who has views on why
it Is stopping intermittently and then recovering.

The issue is not that Microsoft are stopping supporting POP3, but they
are implementing improved authorization (OAuth2) and retiring simple
authorization. Because of the age of Turnpike it doesn't support
OAuth2. Not sure if it could be done through Stunnel, but not
currently as far as I can work out - but it is still being developed,
unlike Turnpike.
None of this should happen until at least October but, like you, I have
had intermittent loss of connection to the server via Namesco. I also
have 2 other Microsoft 365 accounts from different resellers which have
not had the same issue, so I suspect it may be an unrelated problem
with Namesco, although quite what I can't work out as you connect
directly to a Microsoft server.
In the other thread, Brian Howie says that he dumped Office 365 and
used one of Namesco's "lesser" email offerings. They don't have as
much on server storage, but as you are downloading to Turnpike that
shouldn't be an issue. This may be an option to at least buy some time
- see if Namesco would migrate you from the Microsoft solution to one
of Namesco's other products. Can't guarantee that they won't change to
OAuth2 in the future, as it does seem to be the preferred method of
authorisation these days

------------------------------------------

Dear Bert - I am a bit lost in all this. Can you help me by explaining
a bit more? I am not clear who you mean is offering Gmail. Do you mean
Namesco? I am using Outlook 365 with them and John has suggested I ask
them what else they can offer. Which is what I will do now. But maybe
you meant something else?
Eileen

I have my own domain name registered with Fasthosts and I use their
forwarding service to send incoming emails to my (free) gmail* account
I use my gmail account to act as my email server.
I collect incoming emails from gmail using Connect front ended with
Stunnel.
Gmail announced recently that they too would implement two stage
authorisation but work arounds were posted in other threads.
To implement I logged on to my gmail account, set 2 stage authorisation
to ON, then requested application password. Gmail then supplied a (very
long) password which I had to copy/paste into Connect to replace my
existing one. The hey presto it all works again.
I started to set up a hotmail account as back up but abandoned once
gmail was working again but hopefully the principle is the same.

*gmail is an email service provided by google and is independent of your
ISP.

--
bert

Eileen Conn

2022-09-10 16:49:14 UTC

Post by Eileen Conn

Post by Eileen Conn
I am posting this to ask if anyone else is having problems caused by
PoP3 interfering with the receiving or sending of emails with
Turnpike, and what they are preparing to do.
It is Ok at the moment but it has stopped working a few times over the
last 5 days. At the beginning, emails were not being sent either but
since then the problem has been just receiving emails. At least one
was restored when I was on the phone to Namesco when they 'rebooted'
it. Other times there is no known to me cause of it recovering.
When the problem recurred and I asked Namesco why, they gave me a long
written lecture on moving to an email system that was compatible with
the ending of PoP3. They gave no explanation why it had recovered.
Since then it seems to have corrected itself two or three times and
all has been working OK for a couple of days.
From what Namesco have told me it seems PoP3's end is the end of being
able to use Turnpike. But I have just seen in one of the previous
posts an indication that others are going on using PoP3 on other
systems. Being such an IT tech novice I don't know what it all means.
Hope someone can give me a child's guide.
I thought I was reaching the end of Turnpike and would have to move to
another system. But I want to keep on with it as long as I can because
it will take time to explore the alternatives and get my information &
data management approach reorganised. I hope I have time to to do that
after November but won’t before.
So I will be very glad to hear from anyone who is experiencing the
same problems which seem to be linked to PoP3 or who has views on why
it Is stopping intermittently and then recovering.

The issue is not that Microsoft are stopping supporting POP3, but they
are implementing improved authorization (OAuth2) and retiring simple
authorization. Because of the age of Turnpike it doesn't support
OAuth2. Not sure if it could be done through Stunnel, but not
currently as far as I can work out - but it is still being developed,
unlike Turnpike.
None of this should happen until at least October but, like you, I have
had intermittent loss of connection to the server via Namesco. I also
have 2 other Microsoft 365 accounts from different resellers which have
not had the same issue, so I suspect it may be an unrelated problem
with Namesco, although quite what I can't work out as you connect
directly to a Microsoft server.
In the other thread, Brian Howie says that he dumped Office 365 and
used one of Namesco's "lesser" email offerings. They don't have as
much on server storage, but as you are downloading to Turnpike that
shouldn't be an issue. This may be an option to at least buy some time
- see if Namesco would migrate you from the Microsoft solution to one
of Namesco's other products. Can't guarantee that they won't change to
OAuth2 in the future, as it does seem to be the preferred method of
authorisation these days

------------------------------------------

Dear Bert - I am a bit lost in all this. Can you help me by explaining
a bit more? I am not clear who you mean is offering Gmail. Do you mean
Namesco? I am using Outlook 365 with them and John has suggested I ask
them what else they can offer. Which is what I will do now. But maybe
you meant something else?
Eileen

I have my own domain name registered with Fasthosts and I use their
forwarding service to send incoming emails to my (free) gmail* account
I use my gmail account to act as my email server.
I collect incoming emails from gmail using Connect front ended with
Stunnel.
Gmail announced recently that they too would implement two stage
authorisation but work arounds were posted in other threads.
To implement I logged on to my gmail account, set 2 stage authorisation
to ON, then requested application password. Gmail then supplied a (very
long) password which I had to copy/paste into Connect to replace my
existing one. The hey presto it all works again.
I started to set up a hotmail account as back up but abandoned once
gmail was working again but hopefully the principle is the same.
*gmail is an email service provided by google and is independent of your
ISP.
--
bert

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Thanks Bert for this - Unfortunately I don't have the technical understanding to be able to follow these steps. However I have now had a suggestion from Namesco to move to a different package of theirs that can use POP3. So I am going to post this in a new message to seek help on understanding it, and if it can solve the Turnpike problem with the Outlook 365 in Namesco.
Eileen

Eileen Conn

2022-08-29 00:14:11 UTC