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Chrisj194801
2022-12-19 12:30:41 UTC
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My public Serv7753 utility continues to be accessed about a dozen times a month, normally from 5 or 6 IP addresses. The log has been padded out since late March by 6 accesses a day from Censys scanners, which I gather are collecting IoT data.

The real reason for this post was to see if it appeared, since d.i.s.t. has been very quiet for the last 3 months. Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year!
John Hall
2022-12-19 19:05:37 UTC
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Post by Chrisj194801
My public Serv7753 utility continues to be accessed about a dozen times
a month, normally from 5 or 6 IP addresses. The log has been padded out
since late March by 6 accesses a day from Censys scanners, which I
gather are collecting IoT data.
The real reason for this post was to see if it appeared, since d.i.s.t.
has been very quiet for the last 3 months.
I think newsgroups are effectively immortal, lacking a remove message
for either the group or the whole demon.* hierarchy, from the original
group creator, which isn't going to happen. But even if it did, I
suspect that many news servers (plus Google Groups) wouldn't take any
notice.

I suppose that, since Gmail's announcement that they were introducing
2FA quite some time ago now, there haven't really been any big issues.
Post by Chrisj194801
Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year!
Thank you. And the same to you and to any other readers.
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Andy
2022-12-20 09:47:06 UTC
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I suppose that, since Gmail's announcement that they were introducing
2FA quite some time ago now, there haven't really been any big issues.
A cloud on the horizon... every time I access Chrome, my browser, I now
get the message "To get future Google Chrome updates, you'll need
Windows 10 or later. This computer is using Windows 7".

It uses 7 because that's the last Window that provides and supports a
Virtual XP, which I need for running Turnpike. I suppose I could have
Windows 10-or-later running a virtual 7 in turn running virtual XP..

Why Chrome? Several of the sites I regularly access refuse to work with
the latest-possible Internet Explorer, and at least one will *only* work
with Chrome.

If there comes a time when nothing I have is acceptable to the rest of
the world, I'll start breeding carrier pigeons :)
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Adrian
2022-12-20 10:52:48 UTC
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Post by Andy
A cloud on the horizon... every time I access Chrome, my browser, I now
get the message "To get future Google Chrome updates, you'll need
Windows 10 or later. This computer is using Windows 7".
It uses 7 because that's the last Window that provides and supports a
Virtual XP, which I need for running Turnpike. I suppose I could have
Windows 10-or-later running a virtual 7 in turn running virtual XP..
I'm writing this using W10. I'm running a W10/64 bit machine, but with
a W10/32 bit VM. Basically what you are doing, but with a newer set of
software, and one that gets regular updates.

W10/32 can be downloaded, and it seems that you can run it (with a few
restrictions) with out a licence. What you don't get is the full VM
infrastructure that you got with the W7 and virtual XP, but there are
several VM setups available for free download, I'm using Oracle's
VirtualBox, and that seems to have been pretty well faultless for nearly
4 years now.

Get back to me if you want more info.

Adrian
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J. P. Gilliver
2023-05-04 07:34:36 UTC
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Post by Adrian
Post by Andy
A cloud on the horizon... every time I access Chrome, my browser, I
now get the message "To get future Google Chrome updates, you'll need
Windows 10 or later. This computer is using Windows 7".
It uses 7 because that's the last Window that provides and supports a
Virtual XP, which I need for running Turnpike. I suppose I could have
Windows 10-or-later running a virtual 7 in turn running virtual XP..
I'm writing this using W10. I'm running a W10/64 bit machine, but with
a W10/32 bit VM. Basically what you are doing, but with a newer set of
software, and one that gets regular updates.
[]
Yes - you don't need XP to run Turnpike; I'm quite happily running it
under 7-32, and I gather it runs under 10-32. I've never yet run a VM.
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Bryan Morris
2023-05-04 10:34:05 UTC
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Post by Adrian
Post by Andy
A cloud on the horizon... every time I access Chrome, my browser, I
now get the message "To get future Google Chrome updates, you'll need
Windows 10 or later. This computer is using Windows 7".
It uses 7 because that's the last Window that provides and supports a
Virtual XP, which I need for running Turnpike. I suppose I could have
Windows 10-or-later running a virtual 7 in turn running virtual XP..
I'm writing this using W10. I'm running a W10/64 bit machine, but
with a W10/32 bit VM. Basically what you are doing, but with a newer
set of software, and one that gets regular updates.
[]
Yes - you don't need XP to run Turnpike; I'm quite happily running it
under 7-32, and I gather it runs under 10-32. I've never yet run a VM.
Say that again?
Turnpike runs on Windows 10 32 bit? Without VM?
I'm still running Turnpike on this Windows 2000 machine!!
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J. P. Gilliver
2023-05-04 11:45:31 UTC
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Post by Bryan Morris
Say that again?
Turnpike runs on Windows 10 32 bit? Without VM?
I'm still running Turnpike on this Windows 2000 machine!!
It is my understanding that TP will run on any 32-bit Windows, though
requiring minor fiddling which is different under each. (Whether the
32-bit Windows is the real OS or is in a VM, I don't think TP cares.)
I'm not sure about Windows 11: I've not heard any mention _of_ a 32-bit
version of that - I think they've stopped doing it, BICBW (not that
interested, given I'm sticking with 7).

The minor fiddling: the ICACLS (?) thing, I think from XP onwards. I
think 7 might have needed some tweaking to make the buttons visible, or
something like that; I haven't done that since loading TP, but I think I
might have already done it anyway. There are further twiddles in 10,
which (see above) I've not paid much attention to, but DIST will
certainly have details.
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Adrian
2023-05-04 14:49:04 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver
The minor fiddling: the ICACLS (?) thing, I think from XP onwards. I
think 7 might have needed some tweaking to make the buttons visible, or
something like that; I haven't done that since loading TP, but I think
I might have already done it anyway. There are further twiddles in 10,
which (see above) I've not paid much attention to, but DIST will
certainly have details.
It's about 4 years since I set it up on this machine (W10/32 VM running
on W10/64), but I don't remember having to do anything fancy. As I
remember, I just followed the instructions (copy files, then install
TP), and away it went.

Adrian
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Bryan Morris
2023-05-04 15:59:58 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver
The minor fiddling: the ICACLS (?) thing, I think from XP onwards. I
think 7 might have needed some tweaking to make the buttons visible,
or something like that; I haven't done that since loading TP, but I
think I might have already done it anyway. There are further twiddles
in 10, which (see above) I've not paid much attention to, but DIST
will certainly have details.
It's about 4 years since I set it up on this machine (W10/32 VM running
on W10/64), but I don't remember having to do anything fancy. As I
remember, I just followed the instructions (copy files, then install
TP), and away it went.
Adrian
Hmmm I'm looking at recond. Win 32 machines IF Turnpike runs on it (I
have W10 machine for most other things) Advantage to me of course is
also being able to open browsers using https. via Turnpike

One complication for historical reasons my Win2000 machine has 2 hard
discs (C & D )C being the main disc but when I first installed Turnpike
it installed on D:Turnpike (with Connect in D: Turnpike/Bin )in but it
installed (for some reason) PGP & WS_FTP in C:Turnpike
Not sure where Turnpike will finish up if I install it on W10 and then
overwrite it as instructed on a new machine but I probably will use my
old machine until I've sorted out transfer problems.
Chrisj194801
2023-05-04 15:32:01 UTC
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Post by Bryan Morris
Turnpike runs on Windows 10 32 bit? Without VM?
I'm still running Turnpike on this Windows 2000 machine!!
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I run TP under Win2k on a VM. It works fine, but the supporting infrastructure is obsolete; the Firefox browser cannot be updated for modern secure sites and there is no driver for my current printer. I also run all my mail collection in parallel under Thunderbird, so I can switch to that to follow links and for printing. I prefer TP, but when it eventually becomes unusable I have a mature TB system which I am familiar with to fall back on.
Regards
Chris
John Hall
2023-05-07 19:51:55 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver
Post by Adrian
Post by Andy
A cloud on the horizon... every time I access Chrome, my browser, I
now get the message "To get future Google Chrome updates, you'll
need Windows 10 or later. This computer is using Windows 7".
It uses 7 because that's the last Window that provides and supports
Virtual XP, which I need for running Turnpike. I suppose I could
have Windows 10-or-later running a virtual 7 in turn running virtual >>>>XP..
I'm writing this using W10. I'm running a W10/64 bit machine, but
with a W10/32 bit VM. Basically what you are doing, but with a newer
set of software, and one that gets regular updates.
[]
Yes - you don't need XP to run Turnpike; I'm quite happily running it
under 7-32, and I gather it runs under 10-32. I've never yet run a VM.
Say that again?
Turnpike runs on Windows 10 32 bit? Without VM?
Yes, it's doing so here. It's not going to run under Windows 11, though,
as that is 64-bit only.
Post by Bryan Morris
I'm still running Turnpike on this Windows 2000 machine!!
Wow!
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Adrian
2023-05-07 20:28:40 UTC
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Post by John Hall
Yes, it's doing so here. It's not going to run under Windows 11,
though, as that is 64-bit only.
Do you know if it is possible to run a W10/32 VM under W11 ?

Adrian
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John Hall
2023-05-08 09:39:27 UTC
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Post by John Hall
Yes, it's doing so here. It's not going to run under Windows 11,
though, as that is 64-bit only.
Do you know if it is possible to run a W10/32 VM under W11 ?
I don't know, but I'd be very surprised if it wasn't possible. I imagine
a suitable search on the WWW would turn up something.
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Invalid
2023-05-08 09:52:04 UTC
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Post by Adrian
Post by John Hall
Yes, it's doing so here. It's not going to run under Windows 11,
though, as that is 64-bit only.
Do you know if it is possible to run a W10/32 VM under W11 ?
Adrian
Yes it is. I am writing this in Turnpike on a Win10-32bit VM that runs
under Windows 11.

The Win10-32 VM is also running a VNC server so that I can use Turnpike
in a window on another machine (laptop or desktop depending on what I am
doing)>
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Adrian
2023-05-08 11:32:20 UTC
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Post by Adrian
Post by John Hall
Yes, it's doing so here. It's not going to run under Windows 11,
though, as that is 64-bit only.
Do you know if it is possible to run a W10/32 VM under W11 ?
Adrian
Yes it is. I am writing this in Turnpike on a Win10-32bit VM that runs
under Windows 11.
Thanks. I hope W11 is a long time off being needed here, but it is good
to know that I can continue with Turnpike when the time comes.
Post by Invalid
The Win10-32 VM is also running a VNC server so that I can use Turnpike
in a window on another machine (laptop or desktop depending on what I
am doing)>
Interesting idea, but rather more sophisticated than I need.

Adrian
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brian
2023-05-09 15:47:58 UTC
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Post by John Hall
Yes, it's doing so here. It's not going to run under Windows 11,
though, as that is 64-bit only.
Do you know if it is possible to run a W10/32 VM under W11 ?
Adrian
Yes I'm doing it now.

Edition Windows 10 Pro
Version 21H2
Installed on ?24/?09/?2022

Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10700 CPU @ 2.90GHz 2.90 GHz
Installed RAM 2.63 GB

System type 32-bit operating system, x64-based processor


The host system is Windows 11 home.

There was something I had to run to get Hyper-V to go

https://www.makeuseof.com/install-hyper-v-windows-11-home/

My machine is a Dell XPS and there are no 32 bit drivers for the
peripherals, which means I can't talk to the USB ports or use sound
otherwise OK

I failed to install W10 32 bit dual boot which would have been my
preference, hence VM .

At the last W11 upgrade, the work was undone and I had to repeat the
process and re-attach the virtual drive.



Brian
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Adrian
2023-05-09 16:21:46 UTC
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Post by brian
My machine is a Dell XPS and there are no 32 bit drivers for the
peripherals, which means I can't talk to the USB ports or use sound
otherwise OK
At the last W11 upgrade, the work was undone and I had to repeat the
process and re-attach the virtual drive.
Thanks. Sound wouldn't be an issue, and I don't think USB would either,
so long as I can set up access to the physical PC (for backups etc.),
that would be OK, Hopefully some time before I need to find out the
hard way.

Adrian
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SilverE
2023-05-09 21:29:14 UTC
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At 17:21:46 on Tue, 9 May 2023, Adrian wrote in
Post by Adrian
Post by brian
My machine is a Dell XPS and there are no 32 bit drivers for the
peripherals, which means I can't talk to the USB ports or use sound
otherwise OK
At the last W11 upgrade, the work was undone and I had to repeat the
process and re-attach the virtual drive.
Thanks. Sound wouldn't be an issue, and I don't think USB would
either, so long as I can set up access to the physical PC (for backups
etc.), that would be OK, Hopefully some time before I need to find out
the hard way.
I suggest investigating VMWare Workstation Player, or VirtualBox, which
are much easier to get along with than Hyper-V.
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Adrian
2023-05-09 22:46:17 UTC
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At 17:21:46 on Tue, 9 May 2023, Adrian wrote in
Post by Adrian
Post by brian
My machine is a Dell XPS and there are no 32 bit drivers for the
peripherals, which means I can't talk to the USB ports or use sound
otherwise OK
At the last W11 upgrade, the work was undone and I had to repeat the
process and re-attach the virtual drive.
Thanks. Sound wouldn't be an issue, and I don't think USB would
either, so long as I can set up access to the physical PC (for backups
etc.), that would be OK, Hopefully some time before I need to find
out the hard way.
I suggest investigating VMWare Workstation Player, or VirtualBox, which
are much easier to get along with than Hyper-V.
I'm currently using VirtualBox on a W10/64 to run a W10/32, and all I
need works (*), what I was referring to in the above posting was might
happen with a W11/64 box.

(*), the only thing that doesn't work correctly at the moment is
printing (Laser printer in the LAN). I can print, but the print only
starts when the VM is closed down. For the odd print every now and
again, its not something I'm getting excited about.

Adrian
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2023-05-10 10:53:28 UTC
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Post by Adrian
I'm currently using VirtualBox on a W10/64 to run a W10/32, and all I
need works (*), what I was referring to in the above posting was might
happen with a W11/64 box.
(*), the only thing that doesn't work correctly at the moment is
printing (Laser printer in the LAN). I can print, but the print only
starts when the VM is closed down. For the odd print every now and
again, its not something I'm getting excited about.
Adrian
Can you print _from the host OS_ while the VM is running? (If not, seems
_very_ odd!) If you can (print from the host OS that is), then you could
always "print" to a PDF on the VM, and print that from the host, which
would avoid having to close the VM. (I'd probably install the pdf995
"printer" as I'm used to it, but I think PDF "printers" come already
installed with W10 and 11.)
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Adrian
2023-05-10 13:04:51 UTC
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Post by Adrian
I'm currently using VirtualBox on a W10/64 to run a W10/32, and all I
need works (*), what I was referring to in the above posting was might
happen with a W11/64 box.
(*), the only thing that doesn't work correctly at the moment is
printing (Laser printer in the LAN). I can print, but the print only
starts when the VM is closed down. For the odd print every now and
again, its not something I'm getting excited about.
Adrian
Can you print _from the host OS_ while the VM is running? (If not,
seems _very_ odd!)
Yes I can.
Post by J. P. Gilliver
If you can (print from the host OS that is), then you could always
"print" to a PDF on the VM, and print that from the host, which would
avoid having to close the VM. (I'd probably install the pdf995
"printer" as I'm used to it, but I think PDF "printers" come already
installed with W10 and 11.)
I've just had another look at it, and it seems that things have changed.
In the past I used to be able to print directly from Turnpike (i.e.
print off an email), but now, that option seems to have gone, and I can
only print to PDF. If I then open that PDF (on the VM), it doesn't
allow me to print to the printer, but will allow me to print to a PDF
(!). I can copy/move the PDF to the underlying machine, and print from
there.

A bit more digging in the W10/32 settings show that the printer has been
set up, but it claims that the drivers are unavailable. I wonder when
that changed.

Adrian
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Adrian
2023-05-10 13:19:05 UTC
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A bit more digging in the W10/32 settings show that the printer has
been set up, but it claims that the drivers are unavailable. I wonder
when that changed.
Curiouser and curiouser. I've just uninstalled and reinstalled the
printer, and I now get it as an option.

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2023-05-10 21:07:36 UTC
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Post by Adrian
A bit more digging in the W10/32 settings show that the printer has
been set up, but it claims that the drivers are unavailable. I wonder
when that changed.
Curiouser and curiouser. I've just uninstalled and reinstalled the
printer, and I now get it as an option.
Adrian
I think you said earlier in this thread that USB wasn't available to the
VM; is it a USB printer?

But if you can "print" to a PDF, that's going to allow you to print
without having to stop the VM, which is an improvement. I don't know
much about VMs, but can you set up an area - even if you have to make a
tiny partition - accessible to both OSs without having to actively move
the file(s) over every time?

You might even be able to (I suspect it'd be beyond me) set some task
(if task is the right word) on the host OS that repeatedly checks the
shared location, and if it finds anything there, prints it and then
deletes it. (It could look only for PDFs, or for anything, whichever is
easier - I suspect anything would be easier, and no hardship if you used
that area purely for this purpose.) That would then be (to the VM) like
sending to a real printer. How often it checks would be up to you -
somewhere between every 10 seconds and every minute I'd guess would be
reasonable.
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Adrian
2023-05-10 22:54:47 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver
I think you said earlier in this thread that USB wasn't available to
the VM; is it a USB printer?
No, it's a network printer.
Post by J. P. Gilliver
But if you can "print" to a PDF, that's going to allow you to print
without having to stop the VM, which is an improvement. I don't know
much about VMs, but can you set up an area - even if you have to make a
tiny partition - accessible to both OSs without having to actively move
the file(s) over every time?
I've set up a Z: drive on the VM, which points to the "My Documents"
directory on the underlying machine (PM). I set this up specifically to
allow me to get files back to the PM so that I could open documents
(rather than having to install an Office package on the VM). It also
makes back ups easier, as I copy the files from the VM to the PM and
they then get backed up with everything else. I can save to the Z:
drive from Turnpike, and likewise attach files from it to outgoing
emails.
Post by J. P. Gilliver
You might even be able to (I suspect it'd be beyond me) set some task
(if task is the right word) on the host OS that repeatedly checks the
shared location, and if it finds anything there, prints it and then
deletes it. (It could look only for PDFs, or for anything, whichever is
easier - I suspect anything would be easier, and no hardship if you
used that area purely for this purpose.) That would then be (to the VM)
like sending to a real printer. How often it checks would be up to you
- somewhere between every 10 seconds and every minute I'd guess would
be reasonable.
I could set that up in a matter of minutes on a Linux box, but it would
probably take me days to sort out how to do it under W10. However, as I
only get, at best, a handful of items a year that I need to print from
the VM, I'm not going to get too excited about it.

Adrian
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Bryan Morris
2023-05-08 14:18:43 UTC
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Post by Andy
A cloud on the horizon... every time I access Chrome, my browser, I
now get the message "To get future Google Chrome updates, you'll
need Windows 10 or later. This computer is using Windows 7".
It uses 7 because that's the last Window that provides and supports
Virtual XP, which I need for running Turnpike. I suppose I could
have Windows 10-or-later running a virtual 7 in turn running virtual >>>>XP..
I'm writing this using W10. I'm running a W10/64 bit machine, but
with a W10/32 bit VM. Basically what you are doing, but with a
newer set of software, and one that gets regular updates.
[]
Yes - you don't need XP to run Turnpike; I'm quite happily running it
under 7-32, and I gather it runs under 10-32. I've never yet run a VM.
Say that again?
Turnpike runs on Windows 10 32 bit? Without VM?
Yes, it's doing so here. It's not going to run under Windows 11,
though, as that is 64-bit only.
Post by Bryan Morris
I'm still running Turnpike on this Windows 2000 machine!!
Wow!
And the machine WAS Windows 98 before the 2000

I am awaiting delivery of a reconditioned Win computer with W10 32 bit
on and retire my battered old machine (I DO have W10 64 bit I run for
most stuff)

As I recall it I have to instal Turnpike using entire.exe (which I have)
and then post a copy of my existing data on top (I haven't "transferred
to a new machine" for maybe 20 years) Looking at some of my saved stuff
on d.i.s.t I also will have to use Explorer to restore menus to
Turnpike, Anything else I need to know?
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Bryan Morris
2023-05-08 14:22:58 UTC
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Post by Bryan Morris
As I recall it I have to instal Turnpike using entire.exe (which I
have) and then post a copy of my existing data on top (I haven't
"transferred to a new machine" for maybe 20 years) Looking at some of
my saved stuff on d.i.s.t I also will have to use Explorer to restore
menus to Turnpike, Anything else I need to know?
Oh dear, its so long ago I have forgotten my passwords for my mail
servers!!!
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Jim Crowther
2023-05-08 15:03:20 UTC
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In demon.ip.support.turnpike, on Mon, 8 May 2023 15:18:43, Bryan Morris
Post by Bryan Morris
I am awaiting delivery of a reconditioned Win computer with W10 32 bit
on and retire my battered old machine (I DO have W10 64 bit I run for
most stuff)
As I recall it I have to instal Turnpike using entire.exe (which I
have) and then post a copy of my existing data on top (I haven't
"transferred to a new machine" for maybe 20 years) Looking at some of
my saved stuff on d.i.s.t I also will have to use Explorer to restore
menus to Turnpike, Anything else I need to know?
Transfer the data *first* (the whole TP folder is a good idea), then run
entire.exe over the top.
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Jim Crowther
J. P. Gilliver
2023-05-08 18:48:05 UTC
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In message <***@nospam.at.my.choice.of.UID.invalid> at Mon,
8 May 2023 08:03:20, Jim Crowther
Post by Jim Crowther
In demon.ip.support.turnpike, on Mon, 8 May 2023 15:18:43, Bryan Morris
Post by Bryan Morris
I am awaiting delivery of a reconditioned Win computer with W10 32 bit
on and retire my battered old machine (I DO have W10 64 bit I run for
most stuff)
As I recall it I have to instal Turnpike using entire.exe (which I
have) and then post a copy of my existing data on top (I haven't
"transferred to a new machine" for maybe 20 years) Looking at some of
my saved stuff on d.i.s.t I also will have to use Explorer to restore
menus to Turnpike, Anything else I need to know?
Transfer the data *first* (the whole TP folder is a good idea), then
run entire.exe over the top.
That's my memory too. And I think transferring the data over will bring
the passwords for the mail servers too.
IIRR there's the ICACL commands to run. And ideally there's also turn
off the autologin to Turnpike (so you have to "log in" to Turnpike to
use it, rather than just start it), and then turn that back off again
once the new setup is working properly), but I know I've moved TP more
than once without doing that. I think on discussion here you only needed
to do that if - something I've forgotten.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"The great tragedy of science, the slaying of a beautiful theory by an ugly
fact. - Thomas Henry Huxley
John Hall
2023-05-08 19:38:00 UTC
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In message <ueDB6RIlPUWkFw+***@255soft.uk>, J. P. Gilliver
<***@255soft.uk> writes
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Post by J. P. Gilliver
IIRR there's the ICACL commands to run. And ideally there's also turn
off the autologin to Turnpike (so you have to "log in" to Turnpike to
use it, rather than just start it), and then turn that back off again
once the new setup is working properly), but I know I've moved TP more
than once without doing that. I think on discussion here you only
needed to do that if - something I've forgotten.
--
I believe that the ICACL commands may only be necessary if you install
TP under the "Program Files" directory, and they may not be necessary if
you install it elsewhere. By accident rather than design, when I first
installed TP on W7 I somehow put the data file folders under C:\Turnpike
and the program itself under C:\Program Files\Turnpike, which is perhaps
more logical. I then still had to issue the ICACL for the stuff under
C:\Program Files\Turnpike but not, I think, for the data file folders.
Doing it that way did make ensuring that all the paths in the various
.ini files were correct a bit more complex, though.
--
John Hall "[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into steps,
like a person breaking into giggles or hiccups, and then resumed
its sober climb, until it had another fit of steps."
Ursula K Le Guin "The Beginning Place"
J. P. Gilliver
2023-05-08 20:41:50 UTC
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Post by John Hall
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Post by J. P. Gilliver
IIRR there's the ICACL commands to run. And ideally there's also turn
off the autologin to Turnpike (so you have to "log in" to Turnpike to
use it, rather than just start it), and then turn that back off again
once the new setup is working properly), but I know I've moved TP more
than once without doing that. I think on discussion here you only
needed to do that if - something I've forgotten.
--
I believe that the ICACL commands may only be necessary if you install
TP under the "Program Files" directory, and they may not be necessary
if you install it elsewhere. By accident rather than design, when I
first installed TP on W7 I somehow put the data file folders under
C:\Turnpike and the program itself under C:\Program Files\Turnpike,
which is perhaps more logical. I then still had to issue the ICACL for
the stuff under C:\Program Files\Turnpike but not, I think, for the
data file folders. Doing it that way did make ensuring that all the
paths in the various .ini files were correct a bit more complex, though.
I used to have the prog. (and some .ini files) in C:\Turnpike, and my
data in D:\Turnpike (partitions on the single drive on a laptop). In the
hope that I'd retrieve my data, I actually bought a W7-32 machine (which
I'm very pleased with - best £80 I've spent for ages! (i3, 4G, 500G,
15+"; the make is "stone", which I'd never heard of.) Eventually it
turned out I was not getting my data back, so I should probably have
gone for Thunderbird or something, for futureproofing; however, partly
as I'd gone to the trouble of securing a 32-bit system, and partly
because I have muscle and other memory re Turnpike, I decided to stay
with it, even if I didn't have my old files. As such, it was thus a new
installation of Turnpike - I suspect the first one that's been done
anywhere for a long time! I installed it _all_ in D:\Turnpike; what you
say is presumably right, as I completely forgot about the ICACLS, but it
seemed to go fine. It came up as 6.07S, the Demon-only version, as
expected; fortunately I had a key, which I entered - it warned me the
databases would have to be rebuilt which might take some time (which of
course it didn't as they were empty). It then identified as 6.07M, and
has been working fine ever since, once I'd remembered/learnt how to do
things. A few slight oddities: Whenever I start Connect, I get a popup
window saying something like "you have an outdated demo version of
Turnpike; this should not affect its operation. Email
<something>@turnpike.com with subject <something> to <something>." (I
can't remember the exact details as I can only see it when I start
Turnpike.) This popup has an OK button, which I click and it then opens.
(I've sent the email it suggests, but don't expect to get any reply!)

The other two oddities: I used to, when I started Connect, find it
connected - straight into four coloured rectangles for sending and
receiving, mail and news. Now, I have to start Connect, when I get four
grey rectangles, then I have to click the 'phone symbol; anyone remember
how to make it start connected? And when I do that, only the mail ones
are on: I have to click the two Enable buttons to trigger news
sending/receiving. Again, anyone remember how to have these enabled by
default? (They go back to disabled whenever I close Connect.) No great
inconvenience, but it'd be nice to not have to do them - in other
words, when Connect is started, have it open as connected, with all four
rectangles not grey (ideally blue).
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Feudalism : It's your count that votes.
John Hall
2023-05-08 15:21:21 UTC
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In message <93ZsHg4DTQWkFw+***@this.machine>, Bryan Morris
<***@this.machine> writes
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Post by Bryan Morris
As I recall it I have to instal Turnpike using entire.exe (which I
have) and then post a copy of my existing data on top (I haven't
"transferred to a new machine" for maybe 20 years)
Other way round, IIRC. Install TP with the data folders already in
place.
--
John Hall "[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into steps,
like a person breaking into giggles or hiccups, and then resumed
its sober climb, until it had another fit of steps."
Ursula K Le Guin "The Beginning Place"
John Hall
2022-12-20 11:01:52 UTC
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Post by Andy
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Post by John Hall
I suppose that, since Gmail's announcement that they were introducing
2FA quite some time ago now, there haven't really been any big issues.
A cloud on the horizon... every time I access Chrome, my browser, I now
get the message "To get future Google Chrome updates, you'll need
Windows 10 or later. This computer is using Windows 7".
Yes, Chrome have announced that they are ending support for Windows 7
next year. Of course it will continue to work, but as time goes by its
security vulnerabilities are likely to increase
Post by Andy
It uses 7 because that's the last Window that provides and supports a
Virtual XP, which I need for running Turnpike. I suppose I could have
Windows 10-or-later running a virtual 7 in turn running virtual XP..
Why Chrome? Several of the sites I regularly access refuse to work with
the latest-possible Internet Explorer, and at least one will *only*
work with Chrome.
Strangely enough, I've found a couple of sites over the years that won't
work under Chrome unless I use its "Internet Explorer compatibility"
extension. One of the sites belong to the company whose backup software
I'd use, who you would hope would know better.
Post by Andy
If there comes a time when nothing I have is acceptable to the rest of
the world, I'll start breeding carrier pigeons :)
I hope it won't come to that.
--
John Hall "Do you have cornflakes in America?"
"Well, actually, they're American."
"So what brings you to Britain then if you have cornflakes already?"
Bill Bryson: "Notes from a Small Island"
Andy
2022-12-20 09:36:10 UTC
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Post by Chrisj194801
My public Serv7753 utility continues to be accessed about a dozen times
a month, normally from 5 or 6 IP addresses. The log has been padded out
since late March by 6 accesses a day from Censys scanners, which I
gather are collecting IoT data.
The real reason for this post was to see if it appeared, since d.i.s.t.
has been very quiet for the last 3 months. Merry Xmas and a Happy New
Year!
And to you!
--
Andy Taylor FRPSL
President, Treasurer & Editor of the Austrian Philatelic Society.
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