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Moving Turnpike to a new computer
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Chris
2018-12-18 20:35:02 UTC
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Moving Turnpike to a new computer

Please remind me how to do it.
It's been so many years!
I remember there is a strict sequence to be followed.
And - as usual - it will be the little details that matter.

It will be moving from Windows 7 32-bit
to another machine with the same OS
possibly in a VirtualBox vm running in a Linux host.
--
Chris
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2018-12-18 21:33:14 UTC
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Post by Chris
Moving Turnpike to a new computer
Please remind me how to do it.
It's been so many years!
I remember there is a strict sequence to be followed.
And - as usual - it will be the little details that matter.
It will be moving from Windows 7 32-bit
to another machine with the same OS
possibly in a VirtualBox vm running in a Linux host.
1. Copy over your existing TP folders _first_. To the same location they
were.

2. Run the two CLSID commands to sort out the permissions; instructions
are in one of the supporting files that you can read without installing
TP (a .pdf, or .rdf, or something like that), under installing under
Vista.

3. Run the installer (probably called entire) - specifying the same
install location, if it's not the one it wants to use (which it might be
if you've ever upgraded from an earlier version).

0. If you have TP set to let you use it without entering a username and
password, ideally you should turn that off on the old machine - i. e. so
that it _does_ ask for those - before you copy over the files/folders.
(You can always turn it back on the new machine once you have it up and
running.) I think I've moved it at least two or three times without
doing that, but I have seen it once not "play nice" until that was done;
fortunately she (it was Eileen of this parish) had the old machine
still.

4. Edit the Connect buttons to point to where the prog.s they link to
(e. g. browser) are on the new machine, if different. (If same, no
change required.)

The main things people forget to do are (a) move over the files/folders
_before_ running the installer, and (b) not typing the CLSID commands
before actually running TP. With close behind (c) not putting the TP
files where they were on the old machine.


me
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Jim Crowther
2018-12-19 02:46:05 UTC
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In demon.ip.support.turnpike, on Tue, 18 Dec 2018 21:33:14, J. P.
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Run the installer (probably called entire)
Mea Culpa...

I just realised I dropped off when moving plainfaqs.org.uk between
hosts, and hadn't changed the nameservers.

For those who want TP6.07, TP5.02 or serv7753, they're now available
again at:

http://plainfaqs.org.uk/downloads
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Jim Crowther
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2018-12-19 04:36:11 UTC
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Post by Jim Crowther
In demon.ip.support.turnpike, on Tue, 18 Dec 2018 21:33:14, J. P.
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Run the installer (probably called entire)
Mea Culpa...
I just realised I dropped off when moving plainfaqs.org.uk between
hosts, and hadn't changed the nameservers.
For those who want TP6.07, TP5.02 or serv7753, they're now available
http://plainfaqs.org.uk/downloads
I'd forgotten about 7753. If your TP isn't a paid one, you'll need that
as well: I don't think it matters whether you set it up before or after
TP, but obviously TP won't actually _connect_ until you do.

JPG
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Mike Swift
2018-12-19 10:30:28 UTC
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Post by Jim Crowther
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Run the installer (probably called entire)
Mea Culpa...
I just realised I dropped off when moving plainfaqs.org.uk between hosts,
and hadn't changed the nameservers.
For those who want TP6.07, TP5.02 or serv7753, they're now available again
http://plainfaqs.org.uk/downloads
I must Admit to still using 5.02, I like its simplicity for a single
user.

The only problem is e-mail, Virgin Media have done something so I can
receive but not send them so I use Thunderbird to send, not a vast
problem as I'm Billy no mates as regards e-mails and send very few.

I know I can use Stunnel but I've never managed to set it up despite
help from in here, the last time I tried I totally broke my system.

Mike
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John Hall
2018-12-20 10:35:24 UTC
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Post by Mike Swift
I must Admit to still using 5.02, I like its simplicity for a single
user.
It also has the advantage of working with 64-bit versions of Windows.
Post by Mike Swift
The only problem is e-mail, Virgin Media have done something so I can
receive but not send them so I use Thunderbird to send, not a vast
problem as I'm Billy no mates as regards e-mails and send very few.
The danger is that down the line VM might change receiving email so that
you can no longer use it. TLS/SSL encryption seems to becoming the
standard nowadays.
Post by Mike Swift
I know I can use Stunnel but I've never managed to set it up despite
help from in here, the last time I tried I totally broke my system.
If you'd like to try again, we'd be happy to help again. It's really not
that difficult.
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that man can never learn anything from history."
George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)
Chris
2018-12-20 11:27:01 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Chris
Moving Turnpike to a new computer
Please remind me how to do it.
It's been so many years!
I remember there is a strict sequence to be followed.
And - as usual - it will be the little details that matter.
It will be moving from Windows 7 32-bit
to another machine with the same OS
possibly in a VirtualBox vm running in a Linux host.
1. Copy over your existing TP folders _first_. To the same location
they were.
2. Run the two CLSID commands to sort out the permissions; instructions
are in one of the supporting files that you can read without installing
TP (a .pdf, or .rdf, or something like that), under installing under
Vista.
3. Run the installer (probably called entire) - specifying the same
install location, if it's not the one it wants to use (which it might
be if you've ever upgraded from an earlier version).
0. If you have TP set to let you use it without entering a username and
password, ideally you should turn that off on the old machine - i. e.
so that it _does_ ask for those - before you copy over the
files/folders. (You can always turn it back on the new machine once you
have it up and running.) I think I've moved it at least two or three
times without doing that, but I have seen it once not "play nice" until
that was done; fortunately she (it was Eileen of this parish) had the
old machine still.
4. Edit the Connect buttons to point to where the prog.s they link to
(e. g. browser) are on the new machine, if different. (If same, no
change required.)
The main things people forget to do are (a) move over the files/folders
_before_ running the installer, and (b) not typing the CLSID commands
before actually running TP. With close behind (c) not putting the TP
files where they were on the old machine.
Thanks John - that was very helpful - and is appreciated.
All done in a VirtualBox VM running in a Linux host.
I can now access my address book and refer to old emails.
Turnpike on the VM will never be Internet connected
and will be the sole application installed on Windows 7.

Unfortunately I cannot copy and paste from guest to host.
This may be because the hot is 64bit and the guest 32bit?
Only started using a VM yesterday - so don't know.
Wonder whether anyone reading this does know?

Else I will try a 32bit Linux host and see if that works.
But I bet someone in this newsgroup will have tried it.

Would 32bit Linux be as good as 64bit for a non-gamer?
Machines are all old with 4GB RAM and small SSD.
--
Chris
Martin Liddle
2018-12-20 14:09:07 UTC
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Post by Chris
Unfortunately I cannot copy and paste from guest to host.
This may be because the hot is 64bit and the guest 32bit?
Only started using a VM yesterday - so don't know.
Wonder whether anyone reading this does know?
I think it should work. In Virtual box settings for the client:
General>Advanced tab is the Shared clipboard set to Bidirectional?
Works here for Linux guest to Windows host or Windows guest to Windows host.
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Martin Liddle, Tynemouth Computer Services
Staveley, Chesterfield, Derbyshire UK
Chris
2018-12-20 15:12:21 UTC
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Post by Martin Liddle
Post by Chris
Unfortunately I cannot copy and paste from guest to host.
This may be because the hot is 64bit and the guest 32bit?
Only started using a VM yesterday - so don't know.
Wonder whether anyone reading this does know?
General>Advanced tab is the Shared clipboard set to Bidirectional?
Works here for Linux guest to Windows host or Windows guest to Windows host.
OP: here it's Mint 64 host and W7 32 guest.
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Chris
Chris
2018-12-20 20:37:14 UTC
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In article <XEeBJ3BVF7GcFwoe@[127.0.0.1]>, Chris <nospam@[127.0.0.1]>
writes
Post by Chris
Post by Martin Liddle
Post by Chris
Unfortunately I cannot copy and paste from guest to host.
This may be because the hot is 64bit and the guest 32bit?
Only started using a VM yesterday - so don't know.
Wonder whether anyone reading this does know?
General>Advanced tab is the Shared clipboard set to Bidirectional?
Works here for Linux guest to Windows host or Windows guest to Windows host.
OP: here it's Mint 64 host and W7 32 guest.
OP: Mint 32 host and W7 32 guest works for shared clipboard
and drag and drop.
Any disadvantages in using Mint 32-bit?
I shall eventually use Thunderbird in Mint
but need to be able to get at old emails and address book.
Windows 7 has only one more year's support
And so time is of the essence!
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Chris
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2018-12-20 22:44:34 UTC
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In message <dw1D0dC61$GcFwru@[127.0.0.1]>, Chris <nospam@[127.0.0.1]>
writes:
[]
Post by Chris
I shall eventually use Thunderbird in Mint
but need to be able to get at old emails and address book.
Windows 7 has only one more year's support
And so time is of the essence!
W7 won't magically stop working when support ends though! (I was using
XP until last year, and probably would still be if the machine hadn't
died!)

JPG
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John Hall
2018-12-21 08:22:20 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
[]
Post by Chris
I shall eventually use Thunderbird in Mint
but need to be able to get at old emails and address book.
Windows 7 has only one more year's support
And so time is of the essence!
W7 won't magically stop working when support ends though! (I was using
XP until last year, and probably would still be if the machine hadn't
died!)
The danger is that, once security updates are no longer being issued,
the OS may become vulnerable to some new exploit.
--
John Hall
"Hegel was right when he said that we learn from history
that man can never learn anything from history."
George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)
Chris
2018-12-22 15:23:23 UTC
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Post by John Hall
The danger is that, once security updates are no longer being issued,
the OS may become vulnerable to some new exploit.
Mint 32 host and W7 32 guest works for shared clipboard
and for bi-directional drag and drop between host and guest.

Mint 64 host and W7 32 guest doe NOT work for shared clipboard
NOR for bi-directional drag and drop between host and guest.

Unless it's my fault!

This is using the very-easy-to-setup version of VirtualBox
from the Mint Software Manager.

Please help if you can - if you have tried it.
--
Chris
Martin Liddle
2018-12-23 10:29:08 UTC
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Post by Chris
Mint 64 host and W7 32 guest doe NOT work for shared clipboard
NOR for bi-directional drag and drop between host and guest.
Unless it's my fault!
This is using the very-easy-to-setup version of VirtualBox
from the Mint Software Manager.
Please help if you can - if you have tried it.
If it doesn't work then it is a bug and should be reported. I take it
that you have checked that the shared Clipboard is set to birectional as
by default I think it is off.
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Martin Liddle, Tynemouth Computer Services
Staveley, Chesterfield, Derbyshire UK
Mike Isaacs
2018-12-20 16:24:51 UTC
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Re copying from 32 bit to 64 bit OS's.

I run TP in Windows Virtual XP mode (32 bit) on a Win 7 Pro 64 bit
machine.

I backup my TP directory daily, using a DOS .bat program, and part of
the back up program includes a sequence of lines such as :-

===============================
echo Copying files to L:
echo.
xcopy "c:\program files\turnpike\*.*" "\\tsclient\L\tpbackups mon" /y
/s /m

echo.
===============================

which copies all of the files modified today (Monday), _not_ the
unaltered files, to the L drive on my Win 7 hard drive.

This line copies all of the files with the "a" attribute set, including
those in the sub-directories, and clears the "a" attribute after
copying, leaving a "clean" directory for the next day.

(I have a separate back-up directory for each day of the week, so that I
have 7 consecutive backups which are overwritten weekly. It might be
overkill now, but has saved my life in the past when I had a disaster on
my old XP machine.)

I don't know how you would do it in Linux, but I'm copying from 32 bit
to 64 bit Windows machines.

Hope this helps

Mike

In message <snaOKaBFy3GcFwNK@[127.0.0.1]>, Chris <nospam@[127.0.0.1]>
writes
Post by Chris
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Chris
Moving Turnpike to a new computer
Please remind me how to do it.
It's been so many years!
I remember there is a strict sequence to be followed.
And - as usual - it will be the little details that matter.
It will be moving from Windows 7 32-bit
to another machine with the same OS
possibly in a VirtualBox vm running in a Linux host.
1. Copy over your existing TP folders _first_. To the same location
they were.
2. Run the two CLSID commands to sort out the permissions;
instructions are in one of the supporting files that you can read
without installing TP (a .pdf, or .rdf, or something like that), under
installing under Vista.
3. Run the installer (probably called entire) - specifying the same
install location, if it's not the one it wants to use (which it might
be if you've ever upgraded from an earlier version).
0. If you have TP set to let you use it without entering a username
and password, ideally you should turn that off on the old machine - i.
e. so that it _does_ ask for those - before you copy over the
files/folders. (You can always turn it back on the new machine once
you have it up and running.) I think I've moved it at least two or
three times without doing that, but I have seen it once not "play
nice" until that was done; fortunately she (it was Eileen of this
parish) had the old machine still.
4. Edit the Connect buttons to point to where the prog.s they link to
(e. g. browser) are on the new machine, if different. (If same, no
change required.)
The main things people forget to do are (a) move over the
files/folders _before_ running the installer, and (b) not typing the
CLSID commands before actually running TP. With close behind (c) not
putting the TP files where they were on the old machine.
Thanks John - that was very helpful - and is appreciated.
All done in a VirtualBox VM running in a Linux host.
I can now access my address book and refer to old emails.
Turnpike on the VM will never be Internet connected
and will be the sole application installed on Windows 7.
Unfortunately I cannot copy and paste from guest to host.
This may be because the hot is 64bit and the guest 32bit?
Only started using a VM yesterday - so don't know.
Wonder whether anyone reading this does know?
Else I will try a 32bit Linux host and see if that works.
But I bet someone in this newsgroup will have tried it.
Would 32bit Linux be as good as 64bit for a non-gamer?
Machines are all old with 4GB RAM and small SSD.
--
Mike Isaacs
Andy
2018-12-20 17:33:32 UTC
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In message <ULCz$***@ntlworld.com>, Mike Isaacs
<***@mdji.co.uk> wrote
[]
Post by Mike Isaacs
I backup my TP directory daily, using a DOS .bat program, and part of
the back up program includes a sequence of lines such as :-
[]
I do much the same, but am backing up all the TP files - including the
normally-unchanged files doesn't add much to the total time; it's MSPOOL
that does! My batch file is:

rem Copy all Austrian Stamp, TP, and other data from virtual C: to real
c:

rem NB: TP progs are copied to real-c: data\turnpike-progs since VM
isn't permitted to write to real \progfiles

pause

XCOPY c:\austampsdata "\\tsclient\c\austampsdata" /D /S /E /Y /C

XCOPY c:\data "\\tsclient\c\data" /D /S /E /Y /C

XCOPY "c:\program files\turnpike" "\\tsclient\c\data\turnpike-progs" /D
/S /E /Y /C

rem backup completed

pause

exit
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Bill
2018-12-27 10:16:06 UTC
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Post by Andy
[]
Post by Mike Isaacs
I backup my TP directory daily, using a DOS .bat program, and part of
the back up program includes a sequence of lines such as :-
[]
I do much the same, but am backing up all the TP files - including the
normally-unchanged files doesn't add much to the total time; it's
rem Copy all Austrian Stamp, TP, and other data from virtual C: to real
rem NB: TP progs are copied to real-c: data\turnpike-progs since VM
isn't permitted to write to real \progfiles
pause
XCOPY c:\austampsdata "\\tsclient\c\austampsdata" /D /S /E /Y /C
XCOPY c:\data "\\tsclient\c\data" /D /S /E /Y /C
XCOPY "c:\program files\turnpike" "\\tsclient\c\data\turnpike-progs" /D
/S /E /Y /C
rem backup completed
pause
exit
This made me think it might be worth documenting the pitfalls I've just
encountered when setting up my TP backups.

I have 2 Linux backup machines on the local network, each having one
NTFS drive and one Ext4 drive. The concept is to back up to the two
drives on alternate days using Microsoft's Synctoy to cover the
different types of backup needed for different file types. Task
Scheduler covers "automation" aspects.
I have been in the process of upgrading the older backup machine to 4TB
drives at roughly the same time as moving TP on to a VMWare XP virtual
machine.

I am hopeless at this sort of thing and the first thing I did was to
mess up fstab on the Linux machine, stopping it booting. This was sorted
by booting a live CD and working out how to access the fstab to be able
to rewrite it.

Then, the XP VM couldn't "see" the Linux machines over the network.
I went into bridging mode in the VMWare networking, then in the virtual
XP machine used the "Add a network place wizard", setting it to aim
separately at the EXT4 and NTFS drives on the Linux machine by entering
their (invisible from the VM) network directory names. This brings up
the drives as visible destinations in XP's "My network places" and so
their directories can be set as destinations in SyncToy.

All this took days of thought, near despair, and guesswork. I didn't
find much help in online searches, but now all that remains is to make
the TP backup more automatic rather than manual.
The reason for using the gui Synctoy rather than batch files is that I
support other non-technical people and have been trying to get them to
make simple (not TP!) backups in ways they can understand and adapt.
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2018-12-20 14:33:52 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Chris
Moving Turnpike to a new computer
Please remind me how to do it.
It's been so many years!
I remember there is a strict sequence to be followed.
And - as usual - it will be the little details that matter.
It will be moving from Windows 7 32-bit
to another machine with the same OS
possibly in a VirtualBox vm running in a Linux host.
1. Copy over your existing TP folders _first_. To the same location
they were.
2. Run the two CLSID commands to sort out the permissions; instructions
are in one of the supporting files that you can read without installing
TP (a .pdf, or .rdf, or something like that), under installing under
Vista.
3. Run the installer (probably called entire) - specifying the same
install location, if it's not the one it wants to use (which it might
be if you've ever upgraded from an earlier version).
0. If you have TP set to let you use it without entering a username and
password, ideally you should turn that off on the old machine - i. e.
so that it _does_ ask for those - before you copy over the
files/folders. (You can always turn it back on the new machine once you
have it up and running.) I think I've moved it at least two or three
times without doing that, but I have seen it once not "play nice" until
that was done; fortunately she (it was Eileen of this parish) had the
old machine still.
4. Edit the Connect buttons to point to where the prog.s they link to
(e. g. browser) are on the new machine, if different. (If same, no
change required.)
The main things people forget to do are (a) move over the files/folders
_before_ running the installer, and (b) not typing the CLSID commands
before actually running TP. With close behind (c) not putting the TP
files where they were on the old machine.
me
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Bryan Morris
2023-05-09 11:17:17 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Chris
Moving Turnpike to a new computer
Retrieved from December 2018
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Chris
Please remind me how to do it.
It's been so many years!
In my case , about 15 years
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Chris
I remember there is a strict sequence to be followed.
And - as usual - it will be the little details that matter.
It will be moving from Windows 7 32-bit
to another machine with the same OS
In my case from Windows 2000 to Windows 10 32-bit on another machine
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Chris
possibly in a VirtualBox vm running in a Linux host.
Not relevant for me.
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
1. Copy over your existing TP folders _first_. To the same location
they were.
Got that
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
2. Run the two CLSID commands to sort out the permissions; instructions
are in one of the supporting files that you can read without installing
TP (a .pdf, or .rdf, or something like that), under installing under
Vista.
Where, what and how are CLSID commands found and run
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
3. Run the installer (probably called entire) - specifying the same
install location, if it's not the one it wants to use (which it might
be if you've ever upgraded from an earlier version).
Got that.
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
0. If you have TP set to let you use it without entering a username and
password, ideally you should turn that off on the old machine - i. e.
so that it _does_ ask for those - before you copy over the
files/folders. (You can always turn it back on the new machine once you
have it up and running.) I think I've moved it at least two or three
times without doing that, but I have seen it once not "play nice" until
that was done; fortunately she (it was Eileen of this parish) had the
old machine still.
Last time I used passwords were in the 1990s when I shared Turnpike with
my daughters )now sole user. I think I remember my password but how do I
restore the sign on screen?
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
4. Edit the Connect buttons to point to where the prog.s they link to
(e. g. browser) are on the new machine, if different. (If same, no
change required.)
Got that
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
The main things people forget to do are (a) move over the files/folders
_before_ running the installer, and (b) not typing the CLSID commands
before actually running TP. With close behind (c) not putting the TP
files where they were on the old machine.
Lastly, how do I get headings and buttons to be restored to Turnpike

Many thanks
--
Bryan Morris
J. P. Gilliver
2023-05-09 16:23:38 UTC
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Post by Bryan Morris
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Chris
Moving Turnpike to a new computer
[]
Post by Bryan Morris
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
1. Copy over your existing TP folders _first_. To the same location
they were.
Got that
I think it _can_ be done otherwise, but it makes things a lot easier.
Post by Bryan Morris
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
2. Run the two CLSID commands to sort out the permissions;
instructions are in one of the supporting files that you can read
without installing TP (a .pdf, or .rdf, or something like that), under
installing under Vista.
Where, what and how are CLSID commands found and run
You don't have to find them: they're part of the OS. You run them in a
command window (doesn't have to be one with administrative privileges
AFAICR). What they are/do is, give ownership or permission (I forget
which and it doesn't matter) to TP to change files/folders which, under
later OSs (I think from XP on), the OS normally prevents prog.s from
changing. _If_ your TP and/or its data files are in a location the OS
thinks needs protecting, and you run it without having done the CLSIDs,
the OS forces it to use/make temporary copies, which can cause a vale of
tears.

The file you want is ReadMe.rtf; on my system it's in D:\Turnpike. Find
the section "Notes for Windows 2000/XP/2003/Vista users" (on about the
third page as I look, but it has loaded in Word - may be different if it
loads in something else). That does include how to sort out the mess if
you _have_ run TP without running the permission commands first, but
obviously it is better to run them first.
Post by Bryan Morris
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
3. Run the installer (probably called entire) - specifying the same
install location, if it's not the one it wants to use (which it might
be if you've ever upgraded from an earlier version).
Got that.
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
0. If you have TP set to let you use it without entering a username
and password, ideally you should turn that off on the old machine - i.
e. so that it _does_ ask for those - before you copy over the
files/folders. (You can always turn it back on the new machine once
you have it up and running.) I think I've moved it at least two or
three times without doing that, but I have seen it once not "play
nice" until that was done; fortunately she (it was Eileen of this
parish) had the old machine still.
Last time I used passwords were in the 1990s when I shared Turnpike
with my daughters )now sole user. I think I remember my password but
how do I restore the sign on screen?
Configure (_not_ in Connect - Options isn't there), Options, Login,
Login details. [Obviously, if in any doubt as to whether you can
remember your password, backup all Turnpike areas - with TP not running
- before trying this! (If you _have_ successfully remembered it, I'd
change it to a null one to avoid such anxiety in future, but I can't
remember _where_ you change it.)] Remember Turnpike shows a number of
asterisks for passwords that do _not_ represent how many characters are
in them (including, IIRR, if they are null).
Post by Bryan Morris
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
4. Edit the Connect buttons to point to where the prog.s they link to
(e. g. browser) are on the new machine, if different. (If same, no
change required.)
Got that
I've actually "pinned" (Windows 7 term - not sure if 10 and later use
the same term) Connect to my taskbar, and usually open it from there
(the easiest way to pin it I've found is just to right-click it in the
taskbar when you're running it), and I open TP Explorer from (toolbar
button 2 in) Connect. But yes, configure any such buttons to point to
the right thing. (The desktop button that points to TP Explorer isn't
necessarily an ordinary shortcut, hence my using the one in Connect.)
Post by Bryan Morris
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
The main things people forget to do are (a) move over the
files/folders _before_ running the installer, and (b) not typing the
CLSID commands before actually running TP. With close behind (c) not
putting the TP files where they were on the old machine.
I'd remembered them as being CLSID as well, but according to ReadMe.rtf,
they're CACLS or ICACLS; maybe CLSID is the name for what property they
change?
Post by Bryan Morris
Lastly, how do I get headings and buttons to be restored to Turnpike
From within an Explorer window _other_ than the TP one (probably when TP
is not running); I forget the details, someone else will say. IIRR one
of the things is View | Menus; Microsoft decided to change the default
to not doing so, I forget whether it was at the change to 7 or to 10.
Maybe View | Toolbars (possibly in TPE) as well. IIRR you on later
versions have to play with whether buttons show symbols, text, or both
(right-clicking in the actual button bar may be the route to there); in
my particular configuration of 7, turning off the text labels also makes
the buttons tiny.
Post by Bryan Morris
Many thanks
Glad to help (if I have!). (Maybe you can return by reminding me how to
make Connect come up connected, including the news parts!)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Subtlety is the art of saying what you think and getting out of the way
before it is understood." - Fortunes
Bryan Morris
2023-05-09 17:10:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by J. P. Gilliver
Post by Bryan Morris
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Chris
Moving Turnpike to a new computer
[]
Post by Bryan Morris
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
1. Copy over your existing TP folders _first_. To the same location
they were.
Got that
I think it _can_ be done otherwise, but it makes things a lot easier.
Post by Bryan Morris
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
2. Run the two CLSID commands to sort out the permissions;
instructions are in one of the supporting files that you can read
without installing TP (a .pdf, or .rdf, or something like that),
under installing under Vista.
Where, what and how are CLSID commands found and run
You don't have to find them: they're part of the OS. You run them in a
command window (doesn't have to be one with administrative privileges
AFAICR). What they are/do is, give ownership or permission (I forget
which and it doesn't matter) to TP to change files/folders which, under
later OSs (I think from XP on), the OS normally prevents prog.s from
changing. _If_ your TP and/or its data files are in a location the OS
thinks needs protecting, and you run it without having done the CLSIDs,
the OS forces it to use/make temporary copies, which can cause a vale
of tears.
I assume you mean this? Although I'll be using W10 32 bit
BTW My Turnpike ATM (on my drive D , my 2nd hard disc) is in D:/Turnpike
but on the new computer I'll put Turnpike in program files


For Windows Vista users:

You will need to run a Command Prompt as Administrator

ICACLS "c:\Program Files\Turnpike" /grant Everyone:F /t
ICACLS "c:\Program Files\Turnpike\Bin" /grant:r Everyone:RX /t
Post by J. P. Gilliver
Post by Bryan Morris
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
0. If you have TP set to let you use it without entering a username
and password, ideally you should turn that off on the old machine -
i. e. so that it _does_ ask for those - before you copy over the
files/folders. (You can always turn it back on the new machine once
you have it up and running.) I think I've moved it at least two or
three times without doing that, but I have seen it once not "play
nice" until that was done; fortunately she (it was Eileen of this
parish) had the old machine still.
Last time I used passwords were in the 1990s when I shared Turnpike
with my daughters )now sole user. I think I remember my password but
how do I restore the sign on screen?
Configure (_not_ in Connect - Options isn't there), Options, Login,
Login details. [Obviously, if in any doubt as to whether you can
remember your password, backup all Turnpike areas - with TP not running
- before trying this! (If you _have_ successfully remembered it, I'd
change it to a null one to avoid such anxiety in future, but I can't
remember _where_ you change it.)] Remember Turnpike shows a number of
asterisks for passwords that do _not_ represent how many characters are
in them (including, IIRR, if they are null).
OK thanks
Post by J. P. Gilliver
I've actually "pinned" (Windows 7 term - not sure if 10 and later use
the same term) Connect to my taskbar, and usually open it from there
(the easiest way to pin it I've found is just to right-click it in the
taskbar when you're running it), and I open TP Explorer from (toolbar
button 2 in) Connect. But yes, configure any such buttons to point to
the right thing. (The desktop button that points to TP Explorer isn't
necessarily an ordinary shortcut, hence my using the one in Connect.)
Post by Bryan Morris
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
The main things people forget to do are (a) move over the
files/folders _before_ running the installer, and (b) not typing the
CLSID commands before actually running TP. With close behind (c) not
putting the TP files where they were on the old machine.
I'd remembered them as being CLSID as well, but according to
ReadMe.rtf, they're CACLS or ICACLS; maybe CLSID is the name for what
property they change?
Post by Bryan Morris
Lastly, how do I get headings and buttons to be restored to Turnpike
From within an Explorer window _other_ than the TP one (probably when
TP is not running); I forget the details, someone else will say. IIRR
one of the things is View | Menus; Microsoft decided to change the
default to not doing so, I forget whether it was at the change to 7 or
to 10. Maybe View | Toolbars (possibly in TPE) as well. IIRR you on
later versions have to play with whether buttons show symbols, text, or
both (right-clicking in the actual button bar may be the route to
there); in my particular configuration of 7, turning off the text
labels also makes the buttons tiny.
Post by Bryan Morris
Many thanks
Glad to help (if I have!). (Maybe you can return by reminding me how to
make Connect come up connected, including the news parts!)
In my case , as on this old computer Turnpike is, on the whole, the only
program running it's on 24/7 so it's always connected even if the screen
saver/blank screen come on

OK printing all this out, Computer from Ebay should arrive Wednesday so
at the weekend hope it's up and running. Worst thing ATM is that I can't
use browsers because most websites are now https so I can't click links
on Turnpike; I have to forward emails/newsitems with links to my
standbye gmail account, then pick gmail up on my W10 computer and click
the link from there

Thanks so much
Regards
--
Bryan Morris
John Hall
2023-05-09 18:03:21 UTC
Permalink
In message <***@this.machine>, Bryan Morris
<***@this.machine> writes
<snip>
Post by Bryan Morris
OK printing all this out, Computer from Ebay should arrive Wednesday so
at the weekend hope it's up and running. Worst thing ATM is that I
can't use browsers because most websites are now https so I can't click
links on Turnpike
Huh? I've not been aware of ever having that problem. After all, all TP
is doing when you click on the link is passing it to whatever browser
you have specified. Let's put in a link to test:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

Ah, I think I see the problem. TP probably doesn't recognise https as
indicating a url. But one could always copy and paste from TP into the
browser. (I imagine that if the link is surrounded by angle brackets it
will work ok:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page>
--
John Hall "[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into steps,
like a person breaking into giggles or hiccups, and then resumed
its sober climb, until it had another fit of steps."
Ursula K Le Guin "The Beginning Place"
John Hall
2023-05-09 18:31:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Hall
<snip>
Post by Bryan Morris
OK printing all this out, Computer from Ebay should arrive Wednesday
so at the weekend hope it's up and running. Worst thing ATM is that I
can't use browsers because most websites are now https so I can't
click links on Turnpike
Huh? I've not been aware of ever having that problem. After all, all TP
is doing when you click on the link is passing it to whatever browser
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
Ah, I think I see the problem. TP probably doesn't recognise https as
indicating a url. But one could always copy and paste from TP into the
browser. (I imagine that if the link is surrounded by angle brackets it
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page>
It turns out it works just fine even without the angle brackets.
--
John Hall "[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into steps,
like a person breaking into giggles or hiccups, and then resumed
its sober climb, until it had another fit of steps."
Ursula K Le Guin "The Beginning Place"
Bryan Morris
2023-05-09 20:32:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Hall
<snip>
Post by Bryan Morris
OK printing all this out, Computer from Ebay should arrive Wednesday
so at the weekend hope it's up and running. Worst thing ATM is that I
can't use browsers because most websites are now https so I can't
click links on Turnpike
Huh? I've not been aware of ever having that problem. After all, all TP
is doing when you click on the link is passing it to whatever browser
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
Ah, I think I see the problem. TP probably doesn't recognise https as
indicating a url. But one could always copy and paste from TP into the
browser. (I imagine that if the link is surrounded by angle brackets it
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page>
No - the problem is that modern browsers won't update on Windows 2000,
its an operating system not a direct Turnpike problem

For instance on this machine Firefox is V12 whereas on my Windows 10
machine its 113.0 64bit

Windows 2000 says V12 is the latest version

Actually Turnpike works perfectly well on my 2000 PC but I'm fed up not
being able these days to browse the WWW on this browser
--
Bryan Morris
Bryan Morris
2023-05-09 20:40:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bryan Morris
Actually Turnpike works perfectly well on my 2000 PC but I'm fed up not
being able these days to browse the WWW on this browser
I mean "on this computer" In point of fact I have, and always have had,
a whole range of browsers on this machine (I still have Netscape
Navigator given to me in the year dot by Demon) No modern browser will
work on W2000 and no older browsers recognise https correctly
--
Bryan Morris
SilverE
2023-05-09 21:46:03 UTC
Permalink
At 18:10:06 on Tue, 9 May 2023, Bryan Morris wrote in
Post by Bryan Morris
OK printing all this out, Computer from Ebay should arrive Wednesday so
at the weekend hope it's up and running.
It's a bit late now, but a virtual machine does the job without buying
extra hardware.
--
SilverE
Bryan Morris
2023-05-09 22:33:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by SilverE
At 18:10:06 on Tue, 9 May 2023, Bryan Morris wrote in
Post by Bryan Morris
OK printing all this out, Computer from Ebay should arrive Wednesday so
at the weekend hope it's up and running.
It's a bit late now, but a virtual machine does the job without buying
extra hardware.
Yes but I couldn't be arsed to put a VM on my 48 bit Win 10 machine (and
y queries re putting on a new machine in many cases will still stand. I
haven't spent a bomb on a recon machine from Ebay with a 1 year
warrantee
--
Bryan Morris
Andy
2023-05-10 07:23:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bryan Morris
Yes but I couldn't be arsed to put a VM on my 48 bit Win 10 machine
(and y queries re putting on a new machine in many cases will still
stand. I haven't spent a bomb on a recon machine from Ebay with a 1
year warrantee
48??
--
Andy Taylor FRPSL
President, Treasurer & Editor of the Austrian Philatelic Society.
Bryan Morris
2023-05-10 10:54:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bryan Morris
Yes but I couldn't be arsed to put a VM on my 48 bit Win 10 machine
(and y queries re putting on a new machine in many cases will still
stand. I haven't spent a bomb on a recon machine from Ebay with a 1
year warrantee
48??
64
--
Bryan Morris
Andy
2023-05-11 07:10:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bryan Morris
Yes but I couldn't be arsed to put a VM on my 48 bit Win 10 machine
(and y queries re putting on a new machine in many cases will still
stand. I haven't spent a bomb on a recon machine from Ebay with a 1
year warrantee
48??
64
I've been outbid :)
--
Andy Taylor FRPSL
President, Treasurer & Editor of the Austrian Philatelic Society.
John Hall
2023-05-11 07:36:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by Andy
Post by Bryan Morris
Yes but I couldn't be arsed to put a VM on my 48 bit Win 10 machine
(and y queries re putting on a new machine in many cases will still
stand. I haven't spent a bomb on a recon machine from Ebay with a 1
year warrantee
48??
64
I've been outbid :)
I guess if you run a 32-bit VM on a 64-bit machine, it averages out at
48 bits. :)
--
John Hall "[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into steps,
like a person breaking into giggles or hiccups, and then resumed
its sober climb, until it had another fit of steps."
Ursula K Le Guin "The Beginning Place"
J. P. Gilliver
2023-05-10 11:15:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bryan Morris
Post by J. P. Gilliver
Post by Bryan Morris
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Chris
Moving Turnpike to a new computer
[]
Post by Bryan Morris
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
1. Copy over your existing TP folders _first_. To the same location
they were.
Got that
I think it _can_ be done otherwise, but it makes things a lot easier.
Post by Bryan Morris
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
2. Run the two CLSID commands to sort out the permissions;
[]
Post by Bryan Morris
I assume you mean this? Although I'll be using W10 32 bit
BTW My Turnpike ATM (on my drive D , my 2nd hard disc) is in D:/Turnpike
but on the new computer I'll put Turnpike in program files
You said "Got that" to suggestion 1., "To the same location they were.",
but you're actually going to put them in a _different_ location? (If the
reluctance is because you won't _have_ a D: on the new machine, you can
always make a small partition at the top of C: - given TP has by modern
standards quite small limits on how big its news and mail files can be,
the partition needed would be tiny in comparison to today's drive sizes.
[You should be able to make a tiny partition at the top of C: just using
the built-in tool, but if that complains, I've found EaseUS's
partitioning tool works well enough - and looks similar to the built-in
one - that I didn't bother looking for any others. {In other words, I'm
not saying it's the best one, just that as it did what I want I didn't
look at any others.}])
Post by Bryan Morris
You will need to run a Command Prompt as Administrator
ICACLS "c:\Program Files\Turnpike" /grant Everyone:F /t
ICACLS "c:\Program Files\Turnpike\Bin" /grant:r Everyone:RX /t
Yes, I _think_ that's the bit.
[]
Post by Bryan Morris
Post by J. P. Gilliver
Glad to help (if I have!). (Maybe you can return by reminding me how to
make Connect come up connected, including the news parts!)
In my case , as on this old computer Turnpike is, on the whole, the only
program running it's on 24/7 so it's always connected even if the screen
saver/blank screen come on
Hmm. _Maybe_ I'm remembering wrong about it coming up connected and with
all rectangles firing, as I used to leave it running all the time too;
it was just that this machine had developed a tendency to lose
connection after 4½ hours (in a weird way: some things, mostly some
browser tabs but also TP and some non-browser things, didn't work,
others did), and a restart cured it. But, touch wood, the fault seems to
have gone away again - it's been OK for 2 days 2 hours (that
how-long-I've-been-connected box in TP is useful after all!) - so I may
not need to worry.
Post by Bryan Morris
OK printing all this out, Computer from Ebay should arrive Wednesday so
at the weekend hope it's up and running. Worst thing ATM is that I can't
use browsers because most websites are now https so I can't click links
on Turnpike; I have to forward emails/newsitems with links to my
standbye gmail account, then pick gmail up on my W10 computer and click
the link from there
Thanks so much
Regards
(You've clarified with others that it's not actually Turnpike that
doesn't recognise them, but the very old browsers your old OS can use.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Everybody's throwing dinner parties, cooking this, baking that... Food has
eaten television here. - Sam Neill (RT 2014/10/11-17)
Bryan Morris
2023-05-10 14:03:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by J. P. Gilliver
Post by Bryan Morris
Post by J. P. Gilliver
Post by Bryan Morris
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Chris
Moving Turnpike to a new computer
[]
Post by Bryan Morris
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
1. Copy over your existing TP folders _first_. To the same location
they were.
Got that
I think it _can_ be done otherwise, but it makes things a lot easier.
Post by Bryan Morris
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
2. Run the two CLSID commands to sort out the permissions;
[]
Post by Bryan Morris
I assume you mean this? Although I'll be using W10 32 bit
BTW My Turnpike ATM (on my drive D , my 2nd hard disc) is in D:/Turnpike
but on the new computer I'll put Turnpike in program files
You said "Got that" to suggestion 1., "To the same location they
were.", but you're actually going to put them in a _different_
location? (If the reluctance is because you won't _have_ a D: on the
new machine, you can always make a small partition at the top of C: -
given TP has by modern standards quite small limits on how big its news
and mail files can be, the partition needed would be tiny in comparison
to today's drive sizes. [You should be able to make a tiny partition at
the top of C: just using the built-in tool, but if that complains, I've
found EaseUS's partitioning tool works well enough - and looks similar
to the built-in one - that I didn't bother looking for any others. {In
other words, I'm not saying it's the best one, just that as it did what
I want I didn't look at any others.}])
Yes on this PC I have Turnpike on D: (Although for some reason on C:
there is also a Turnpike Directory with just another PGP and a WS_FTP
directory in it. Both Directories are dated 27/03/2008 but on C: WS_FTP
is dated 28/12/2011 there is also a tiny log.txt dated 2002 in the
C:/Turnpike

I WAS thinking of copying the D:/Turnpike Directory to the new computer
program files and putting the WS_FTP in it. The ICACLS would then point
to that. Would that work?

BTW on this ancient PC, by modern standards, both hard discs are minute
C: is 19 GB and D: is 9.49 GB

Haven't made a partition since the last century :(
Post by J. P. Gilliver
Post by Bryan Morris
You will need to run a Command Prompt as Administrator
ICACLS "c:\Program Files\Turnpike" /grant Everyone:F /t
ICACLS "c:\Program Files\Turnpike\Bin" /grant:r Everyone:RX /t
Yes, I _think_ that's the bit.
[]
Post by Bryan Morris
Post by J. P. Gilliver
Glad to help (if I have!). (Maybe you can return by reminding me how to
make Connect come up connected, including the news parts!)
In my case , as on this old computer Turnpike is, on the whole, the only
program running it's on 24/7 so it's always connected even if the screen
saver/blank screen come on
Hmm. _Maybe_ I'm remembering wrong about it coming up connected and
with all rectangles firing, as I used to leave it running all the time
too; it was just that this machine had developed a tendency to lose
connection after 4½ hours (in a weird way: some things, mostly some
browser tabs but also TP and some non-browser things, didn't work,
others did), and a restart cured it. But, touch wood, the fault seems
to have gone away again - it's been OK for 2 days 2 hours (that
how-long-I've-been-connected box in TP is useful after all!) - so I may
not need to worry.
Post by Bryan Morris
OK printing all this out, Computer from Ebay should arrive Wednesday so
at the weekend hope it's up and running. Worst thing ATM is that I can't
use browsers because most websites are now https so I can't click links
on Turnpike; I have to forward emails/newsitems with links to my
standbye gmail account, then pick gmail up on my W10 computer and click
the link from there
Thanks so much
Regards
(You've clarified with others that it's not actually Turnpike that
doesn't recognise them, but the very old browsers your old OS can use.)
Yes, in truth Turnpike is perfectly happy running here on Windows 2000
but browsers aren't
--
Bryan Morris
J. P. Gilliver
2023-05-10 21:50:53 UTC
Permalink
In message <Xj6myACMR6WkFwb+@this.machine> at Wed, 10 May 2023 15:03:56,
Bryan Morris <***@this.machine> writes
[]
Post by Bryan Morris
there is also a Turnpike Directory with just another PGP and a WS_FTP
WS_FTP is dated 28/12/2011 there is also a tiny log.txt dated 2002 in
the C:/Turnpike
I'm guessing that might be the last time you used WS_FTP (-: [If you're
like I was, you had the full version of WS_FTP, as that actually came
with one iteration of Turnpike, and continued to be valid - OK, it
wasn't y2k compliant, but worked if you kept that in mind. I forget what
advantage it had over the free version of WS_FTP. I had both versions -
I forget why; the shortcut buttons within Turnpike were more or less the
same logo, other than one had a black area the other white. (FWIW I am
now using FileZilla for the little FTP I do - up/downloading files to my
website, which I do rarely, mainly to use it to exchange files with
people like using DropBox and similar but without imposing lots of
script on people I'm "sending" files to - but any of the common free FTP
clients would suffice.)]
Post by Bryan Morris
I WAS thinking of copying the D:/Turnpike Directory to the new computer
program files and putting the WS_FTP in it. The ICACLS would then point
to that. Would that work?
BTW on this ancient PC, by modern standards, both hard discs are minute
C: is 19 GB and D: is 9.49 GB
Wow, that _is_ tiny! By modern standards, as you say. But as TP can't
handle news/mail files over, IIRR, 4 GB, a 10 GB one should more than
suffice.
Post by Bryan Morris
Haven't made a partition since the last century :(
You said in your other email that you're now swatting [I think you meant
swotting (-:!] up on how to do it. There's a built-in tool that comes
with 7 and above that should be more than you need. (The free EaseUS one
has a user interface that's almost identical to the built-in one, should
you find you need it.) To create a D: on a drive that only has a C:,
you'll need to firstly shrink C:, then create D: in the (what will then
be unallocated) space thus released. You may have to reboot at each
stage. The main thing (in my experience) the built-in partition manager
can't do is shrink C: below about half its current size, as it places
some "unmovable" files at the half way point; if you're only making a
tiny D: for use only with Turnpike, you shouldn't encounter that
problem. (The EaseUS one gets round it somehow - I neither know nor care
how it does; I presume it moves the "unmovable" files.) I generally work
with a tiny C: (50G on here) and the rest D:, with my OS and all
installed software on the C:, and all my data on D: (apart from a little
where some softwares insist on using C:, or I haven't bothered arguing
with them to make them use D:); I have different backup strategies for
the two - I image C: (using Macrium, for which I have a mini-CD I can
boot from if the system won't boot), and basically just copy D:. That's
my approach, though - YMMV.
[]
Post by Bryan Morris
Post by J. P. Gilliver
others did), and a restart cured it. But, touch wood, the fault seems
to have gone away again - it's been OK for 2 days 2 hours (that
how-long-I've-been-connected box in TP is useful after all!) - so I
may not need to worry.
Post by Bryan Morris
OK printing all this out, Computer from Ebay should arrive Wednesday so
at the weekend hope it's up and running. Worst thing ATM is that I can't
use browsers because most websites are now https so I can't click links
[]
Post by Bryan Morris
Post by J. P. Gilliver
(You've clarified with others that it's not actually Turnpike that
doesn't recognise them, but the very old browsers your old OS can use.)
Yes, in truth Turnpike is perfectly happy running here on Windows 2000
but browsers aren't
There's something rather satisfying about using old software, isn't
there! I guess it's similar to running a vintage/veteran car, or piece
of machinery, but without the guilt of fuel inefficiency. (Though my car
is 56 plate, so - what's that? - coming up to 17 years old. But I still
think of it as modern!) And OS too - I never had 2000, but ran XP long
after end of support, and am still using 7 (and a 32-bit version at
that) - and with tweakers that make it look like earlier versions (e. g.
lines rather than triangles in explorer windows).

Actually, TP's not the only s/w that I use that will only work under
32-bit: not sure about panorama32 (wallpaper changer), but EZdesk (icon
position rememberer), and XTree Gold! (I mainly use to occasionally see
what's going on in areas the OS is deceptive about, but also the easiest
way I have of changing timestamps on files, not that I do that often. I
also use its in-built editor to maintain my quotes file - I could of
course use notepad, but the XTG one has a size limit of just under 64K,
which helps keep my quotes file fresh: I have to decide what to delete
when I want to add one.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Find out what works. Then do it. That's my system. I'm always surprised it
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Bryan Morris
2023-05-10 15:04:44 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver
You said "Got that" to suggestion 1., "To the same location they
were.", but you're actually going to put them in a _different_
location? (If the reluctance is because you won't _have_ a D: on the
new machine, you can always make a small partition at the top of C: -
given TP has by modern standards quite small limits on how big its news
and mail files can be, the partition needed would be tiny in comparison
to today's drive sizes. [You should be able to make a tiny partition at
the top of C: just using the built-in tool, but if that complains, I've
found EaseUS's partitioning tool works well enough - and looks similar
to the built-in one - that I didn't bother looking for any others. {In
other words, I'm not saying it's the best one, just that as it did what
I want I didn't look at any others.}])
On second thoughts, I'm swatting up on creating partitions (Haven't done
that since the last century) and creating a drive D: then copying across
Turnpike to C and D as on this machine
Post by J. P. Gilliver
Post by Bryan Morris
You will need to run a Command Prompt as Administrator
ICACLS "c:\Program Files\Turnpike" /grant Everyone:F /t
ICACLS "c:\Program Files\Turnpike\Bin" /grant:r Everyone:RX /t
Appropriate alterations to ICACLS to be done
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Bryan Morris
2023-05-14 14:27:30 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver
From within an Explorer window _other_ than the TP one (probably when
TP is not running); I forget the details, someone else will say. IIRR
one of the things is View | Menus; Microsoft decided to change the
default to not doing so, I forget whether it was at the change to 7 or
to 10. Maybe View | Toolbars (possibly in TPE) as well. IIRR you on
later versions have to play with whether buttons show symbols, text, or
both (right-clicking in the actual button bar may be the route to
there); in my particular configuration of 7, turning off the text
labels also makes the buttons tiny.
OK now created Drive D on my Windows 10 machine so ready to copy
Turnpike to it BUT I've spent ages in Explorer trying to create buttons
but thus far no joy.
Reluctant to go further until I resolve the layout of what would be the
Turnpike window
Anyone with experience of W10 Explorer?
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J. P. Gilliver
2023-05-14 18:46:20 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver
From within an Explorer window _other_ than the TP one (probably when
TP is not running); I forget the details, someone else will say. IIRR
one of the things is View | Menus; Microsoft decided to change the
default to not doing so, I forget whether it was at the change to 7 or
to 10. Maybe View | Toolbars (possibly in TPE) as well. IIRR you on
later versions have to play with whether buttons show symbols, text,
or both (right-clicking in the actual button bar may be the route to
there); in my particular configuration of 7, turning off the text
labels also makes the buttons tiny.
OK now created Drive D on my Windows 10 machine so ready to copy
Turnpike to it BUT I've spent ages in Explorer trying to create buttons
but thus far no joy.
Reluctant to go further until I resolve the layout of what would be the
Turnpike window
Anyone with experience of W10 Explorer?
FWIW in Windows 7-32, when looking at the list of newsgroups or an
individual newsgroup or a mailbox, I have a menu line saying
File Edit View Article/Message* [Status**] Tools Configure Help
(* depending on whether looking at news or mail; ** not when looking at
_list_ of newsgroups). These menu words are _not_ buttons. But when I'm
looking at an actual article, I _do_ have buttons - Back Forward Next
Unread Followup Reply Forward Interesting Keep. (Similar if I'm looking
at an individual email.) If I right-click to the right of Keep, I get a
one-entry dropdown that just says Text Labels and is ticked; if I untick
it, the buttons shrink to just their icons.
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J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

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Maric
2019-01-01 09:44:04 UTC
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Can I move Turnpike to another partition?
I transferred all the files by copy to the other partition. I ran Turnpike installer to this space and all works BUT nothing seen in rhe Mail folder. Ran rebuild MAIL database but it finds nothing. I know all my old emails are there (It's over 2gb in MSPOOL) so how can I get them to be seen?
I don't connect with Turnpike mail any more and only like to keep the emails for reference.
Martin Liddle
2019-01-01 11:32:40 UTC
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I transferred all the files by copy to the other partition. I ran Turnpike installer to this space and all works BUT nothing seen in rhe Mail folder. Ran rebuild MAIL database but it finds nothing. I know all my old emails are there (It's over 2gb in MSPOOL) so how can I get them to be seen?
I would guess you haven't changed the paths to point at the new location.
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Martin Liddle, Tynemouth Computer Services
Staveley, Chesterfield, Derbyshire UK
Maric
2019-01-01 12:03:36 UTC
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Post by Maric
I transferred all the files by copy to the other partition. I ran Turnpike installer to this space and all works BUT nothing seen in rhe Mail folder. Ran rebuild MAIL database but it finds nothing. I know all my old emails are there (It's over 2gb in MSPOOL) so how can I get them to be seen?
I would guess you haven't changed the paths to point at the new location.
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Martin Liddle, Tynemouth Computer Services
Staveley, Chesterfield, Derbyshire UK
Thanks Martin,

I seem to have sorted it but forgot immediately how I did it!
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2019-01-01 16:22:36 UTC
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Post by Maric
I transferred all the files by copy to the other partition. I ran
Turnpike installer to this space and all works BUT nothing seen in rhe
Mail folder. Ran rebuild MAIL database but it finds nothing. I know
all my old emails are there (It's over 2gb in MSPOOL) so how can I get
them to be seen?
I would guess you haven't changed the paths to point at the new
location.
Yes - look in any .ini files for references to C:.


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